Jussi Markula on Teal organizations

My guest for this episode is Jussi Markula, a teal mentor, a serial entrepreneur and the co-founder of the Teal Finland community. In his daily work at Prominda, Jussi facilitates the exploration of new paradigms in organizations.

The idea of a Teal organization was introduced by Fredrick Laloux in 2014 in his book, called Reinventing organizations. The book walks through the evolution of human organizational paradigms and then discusses the most advanced one to date, dubbed Teal.

Jussi helps us delve a little deeper in to the breakthroughs that enabled teal organizations to come to life.

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Brief walkthrough of the evolutionary stages presented in Laloux book:

  • The first stage is called Red. That’s the stage of top-down authority and strict division of labor. Think of a street gang or a wolfpack, where fear is the glue of the organization.
  • Then we have Amber. Amber is characterized by hierarchy, formal roles and stable processes. It’s where we use the stick to keep people in control. An example of an amber organization is the army.
  • Then we get to Orange. Orange is the organization that acts like a machine. Orange organizations value innovation and accountability and are based on a meritocracy. This is probably the most common organizational paradigm currently in use.
  • After Orange comes Green. That’s the family-like organization. These green organizations are driven by their values and people are empowered to produce to the stakeholders. Green organizations have a strong focus on culture.
  • The final stage introduced by Laloux is teal. Teal is an organization that behaves like a living organism. The organization has it’s own evolutionary purpose. It’s self-managed and leadership is distributed. People bring their whole selves to work and don’t create a strong distinction between their work and private personas.

Barry O’Reilly on enabling a culture of experimentation

My guest for this episode is Barry O’Reilly, who’s one of the authors of Lean Enterprise that discusses how high performance organisations innovate at scale.

What’s especially interesting to me about Barry’s experience is that he’s worked a lot with large organisations. He’s for example the founder of ExecCamp, where he takes executives to retreats lasting up to 8 weeks, and helps them disrupt their own businesses.

We talk about how organisations can transform their culture to support experimentation and better decision making. Barry also highlights couple of insights from his newest book, Unlearn.

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Gary Hamel on strategies and bureaucracy

My guest for this episode is Gary Hamel, one of the biggest names in the field of strategy.

Gary started working with strategy in the beginning of the 1980’s and has since released a bunch of groundbreaking articles and books on the topic. For example, the terms strategic intent and core competency were popularized by him and his colleagues.

We talk about what makes strategies successful, how hierarchies affect organizations and what Gary thinks about bureaucracy.

There is also a new segment introduced in the second half of the podcast, hope you like it!

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Eeva Vilkkumaa on decision making

My first guest for the seventh season is Eeva Vilkkumaa, Assistant Professor at the Aalto University School of Business. She studies decision making and resource allocation at companies and public organizations.

We talk about how companies can develop mathematical models to support their decision making. Eeva emphasises the importance of co-creation when building decision making models. She thinks that if people are not involved on building the model or don’t understand the principles behind the model, the results are not going to be great.

Hope you enjoy episode!

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Kaisa Hietala on changing the oil industry

My guest for this episode is Kaisa Hietala, Executive Vice President of Renewable Products at Neste. Neste currently makes half of its profits from renewable products and the shift towards this state has happened in the the last 10 years.

We talk about changing the oil industry from the inside out. What have been the most important lessons Kaisa has learned during her years at Neste? What has the journey of developing a renewable product line been like? Has the transformation to using renewable products been hard?

Kaisa also reveals that 20 years ago she could have become a researcher in climate change. What made her to join an oil company instead?

This is the last episode of Boss Level Podcast before summer break. Season 7 starts on September.

If you want to enjoy the podcast during summer break, just tune again in to your favorite episodes. You’re most likely to find some new thoughts and ideas, that you’ve missed the first time. Or just start the whole show from beginning 😉

We wish a great summer to all the listeners of Boss Level Podcast!

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Leyla Acaroglu on designing a sustainable future

My guest for this episode is Leyla Acaroglu, who calls herself sustainability provocateur and cultural protagonist. She has developed the Disruptive Design Method, an approach to design-led social change.

In Boss Level Podcast, we’ve often talked about systems thinking, but mostly in the context of organizations. With Leyla, we’re going to take a look at systems on a much bigger scale: we talk about the systems that sustain life on earth and how we can use design to make our life on earth more sustainable.

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Troy Hunt and Have i Been Pwned

My guest for this episode is Troy Hunt, well known security expert and creator of haveibeenpwned.com. It’s a service which allows you to check, whether your email has been leaked as a part of a data breach.

We talk about online security, including securing your accounts and using a password manager. We also discuss about privacy and compare our thoughts on social media platforms, messaging applications and encryption. What kind of trade-offs people should make to be more private? What is a pragmatic standpoint on privacy? What is the balance between convenience and privacy?

Listen to the episode, tell us what you think! Also remember to check if you have an account that has been compromised in a data breach.

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David Allen and Getting Things Done

Today’s topic is personal productivity and my guest is David Allen, author of Getting Things Done.

Getting Things Done – often referred to as GTD – is a time management method, described in a book of the same title. It helps you capture all the stuff floating around in your brain, process it into your next actions and projects and then just get them done. The method has significantly improved productivity of probably millions of people.

I read the book roughly 10 years ago and have since applied it pretty much every day. It has helped me to get stuff done and to feel less stressed about stuff.

In this episode, we walk through some of David’s history and talk about how he came up with the ideas and models behind Getting Things Done method. We also cover the basics of the method itself and give some tips on how to get better at it.

If you’re interested in learning more about the Getting Things Done method, I strongly urge you to find the book and read it.

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Björn Wahlroos on leading organizations

My guest for this episode is Björn Wahlroos, one of the most influential businessman in Finland. He’s currently the chairman of the board at Sampo Group, Nordea and UPM-Kymmene.

We talk about Björn’s background in academia, his defining moments, his current roles, sleepless nights, self confidence and leadership.

Björn is known to have pretty strong opinions, and he doesn’t exactly hold back in expressing them. Listen to the episode and tell us what you think!

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Joshua Kerievsky and Modern Agile

My guest today is Joshua Kerievsky, the CEO of Industrial Logic, a Modern Agile consultancy. He has also started the Modern Agile community and has been a prominent figure in the agile community since the early days. His background is in software, but through his experience in agile methods, he has worked on a much broader range than just the software.

We walk through some of Joshua’s history and talk a bit about how that came out in the form of Modern Agile community. We’ll finish with a topic of curiosity, which – according to Joshua – is a superpower.

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